As union members push for penalties for companies that move call center jobs overseas, the business community is speaking out against the legislation.

Earlier this week, we heard from Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal and the Communications Workers of America about why they want companies that do this to lose out on state contracts and tax benefits.

But other groups say it's not needed because customer service representative jobs are actually increasing in New York- and this could give companies a reason not to come here.

Here to explain more is Ken Pokalsky, vice president of the Business Council of New York State.